Needing ideas with realistic goals and title achievements

["Burned in Blood" Konrad Raab]

As I've mentioned on the feedback post given to me is I wanted to talk about the realistic goals and titles thing which admittedly I know I must do with Konrad, and there's a reason why I went that route of Konrad going for the top belt instead of others. The problem is the realistic belts hasn't given Konrad any reason to fight the champions asides from winning his first title in UGWC, but I need something more with my stuff than that.

The cooperative title is not down to the above like the other two belts I'll mention below. I can't find anyone to team with Konrad consistently, which as Rob said, I'm open to working with anyone. I don't want to bring one of my other characters to team with Konrad when Konrad's very open to teaming with anyone, especially I've already got my own team going with another set of characters I have in other feds.

Chaos title was only to get Konrad to overcome his fears with hardcore matches and using weapons which he's achieved doing so, and he still doesn't like hardcore matches. Konrad will only go for the title again if he's forced to by the champion.

Cross Hemisphere title has Angelica holding the belt, and there's no reason for Konrad and Angie to fight each other when they are both face alignment characters and have no history with one another, especially they've never had a one on one match against each other.

I can't think of other realistic goals outside of titles for Konrad to achieve right now. I need to have a think during my time with my partner in terms of other realistic goals Konrad could achieve apart from title oriented goals.

Unless you guys have ideas on other goals for Konrad to achieve outside of title oriented, other champions forcing Konrad to go for realistic titles side of things and who's up to team with Konrad or have an idea of someone that would fit as Konrad's tag partner to go for the Cooperative titles, I'd be more than happy to hear your thoughts on any of those things you guys can help me with to make things realistic for Konrad and myself.

I wish there's another UGWC title that would resolve part of the problem like a TV, Internet, Chicago, Intercontinental or US type belts, but there's not and will unlikely be another belt made for UGWC.

[cooltubesource]

As I mentioned before, I think that Raab buying his way into Battleground is a great CD moment. He is learning that there are ways to spend money on things other than title shots, as he wants to have those through different means, as well as giving him a chance to compete in the special match that he was robbed of last time. With this example in mind, I could see Raab having similar goals for other things. Something about Raab that is often understated is that he's a man in his 50s at the end of his career, and because of that, something like "Work my way up!" isn't a realistic goal, right? Perhaps his goal is to "Get into the Hall of Fame" and therefor he has some steps he needs to accomplish in order to earn that. If he's not interested overall in some of the other titles, perhaps he focuses on the special events. Outside of the normal titles, UGWC now boasts several tournaments (Global Challenge, Lord of Trios, Outlast, WrestleStock Cup) and special "named" matches (Massive Melee, Battleground), and maybe entire arcs about winning those can add a lot of inspiration. Additionally, PLENTY of IRL wrestlers have a dream of "Main Event Wrestlemania" or "Headline the Tokyo Dome," and perhaps Raab becomes determined to main event Horizons. Just some thoughts!

Personal Note: Much of Bordy's "goals" were about making the Chaos Championship THE reason to watch the fed. That was never going to happen in a OOC way, of course, but she fought hard for it to become reality IC. Keeping that in mind, even if a Raab goal doesn't seem like anything "big" on the outside, having him go all-in on it will FORCE people to accept and acknowledge it IC, and that's a good thing for everyone involved. For instance, there are tons of people who (IC) shit on the WrestleStock Cup, but the quality of the last three winners, and how important those characters made the win mean to their stories, has, at least in my view, made the event far more important than various main eventers have treated it by default. Put that kind of passion into even a middling goal for Raab and you'll find success!

["Burned in Blood" Konrad Raab]

I had this idea for two years time actually on Konrad getting to a point that he won't be wrestling anymore and think more what he'll do past wrestling. Sebastian Raab (The boy Konrad adopted I did a bit of a story about in UGWC) will be wrestling in all companies Konrad's currently in when he's 18, getting training from Konrad at the moment. I aged Sebastian as a 14-year-old boy because it will give me time to think about his personality, his gimmick and most importantly where I struggle most with in this game, think of a good solid story for him before he's 18. That's why I had Konrad adopting a 14-year-old boy to think for the future of him eventually taking over from Konrad.

However in terms of starting the whole thing right now rather than two years time like I originally planned might not be a bad idea, considering it may take a while for Konrad to achieve those things. Totally something to think about next year and slowly bring Sebastian in, segments wise to see where he'll wrestle in the future. Konrad will target for the Cross-Hemisphere title also in the future, but just not right now with Angelica being champion.

[cooltubesource]

I knew that at some point I was going to turn Sar pro, with the initial intent on her being a 2010s update to my original 1990s cult leader gimmick, and I set that up by 16-year-old Sar being her dad's valet. The intent was to slowly build her presence in promos and segs and such so that it made sense for everyone when it was time to retire the old man and pull the trigger on her. Having Raab's kid train with him and be his second or cornerman at shows is a good idea. Just don't be like me and accidentally have your side character end up outshining your main 😉

[angelicavaughn]

Oct 21, 2019 16:32:47 GMT -5 "Burned in Blood" Konrad Raab said:

Konrad will target for the Cross-Hemisphere title also in the future, but just not right now with Angelica being champion.

That's one problem solved! 

[Jet Somers]

I think dismissing a face vs face feud is a mistake. The CH Championship is the PERFECT championship for that sort of thing.

[T-Robosaurus Rex]

I think some great suggestions have already been made, but thought I’d weigh in with some thoughts I had.

Firstly in respect to ‘realistic goals’ I think it’s completely fine for a character to have lofty ambitions, as long as the handler is realistic enough to know that just wanting, something to happen doesn’t just make it materialize.

Every single character in UGWC should WANT to be the World Heavyweight Champion, and I think we see our characters develop far more than what we seed on WWE TV, for instance, that it’s believable that anyone could go on a couple of months long tear and make a name for themselves.

When I think it’s dangerous is if the handlers entire plans and enthusiasm are dependent on attaining ANY achievement, from the numerous titles, to our many events. If you set your character a challenge and your entire future plans rely on them happening on a set schedule, or at all, failure can often lead to resentment towards the game itself.

I tend to approach most matches planning for what I will do in the event of losing them, how will Travis cope with that. Reacting to winning a match or a title etc is a lot easier to do in a short space of time than recovering from losing one you had only ever planned on winning.

In honesty I don’t think that's a worry for you, Fizz, as I feel you have shown this year that you are using everything, whether it be a win or a loss, to grow Konrad’s story and his development has been pretty phenomenal in the 9 months since I have returned.

Also add to that that by entering the Battleground Match Konrad is legitimately only one win away from gaining the opportunity to have himself challenge for the World Title in the Main Event of Horizons. It’s the perfect time for him to be bringing that up imo, and sure it might be the most difficult win he’s ever accomplished but stranger things have happened in our history.*cough*Mil Vidas*cough*

I also think Konrad focusing on his impending retirement is a great angle and one that opens a lot of doors, with or without major focus on his son (who I think should be a gradual inclusion).

One thing that springs to mind is what B says above about not dismissing face vs face feuds. If Konrad is coming to terms with the end of his career, and desperate to make a mark, he can still be a pure face but he can have an edge. It’s not too hard to imagine Raab looking at Angie, for instance, and saying ‘I like you. I respect you. But you have 30 more years to make a name for yourself, I only have a handful and I’m going to use them making sure people like you are still talking about me when you retire in the 2040’s.’ or something. I think he can then show a somewhat ruthless streak and still remain a babyface against other faces if his focus becomes on securing a legacy.

A kind of related sidenote, I have really enjoyed the NWA Powerrr show thatd debuted a couple of weeks ago on Youtube (And facebook I think), it’s a real throwback studio presentation and the sets look like they are right out of the 70’s/80’s but it takes itself seriously and has a charm.

Anyway, the reason I mention it here is the idea of a man and his legacy is one they explore in the build to the first episodes main event, and Tim Storm might be someone you could get some inspiration from Fizz. The first episode might give you some thoughts, and I thought it was pretty fun regardless.

["Burned in Blood" Konrad Raab]

Sadly, however, I can't start that because I'm not RPing as Konrad this week. I didn't think of the retiring thing because for me at the time, it was just too early, but I was woken up thanks to Sarah on the goals Konrad could achieve reminded that no, it's not too early for the retirement plans to take place, although I don't know if I'll do Massive Melee as I hate RPing for rumble matches and I can't be creative with them as I suck at writing stories for them and focusing on every opponent in the match, the other events, I'd gladly do. I didn't do half of them because I either was on LOA, wanted to focus more on improving on my RP's or in the case of the Massive Melee, it clashed with the other rumble in a different fed Konrad's in 24 hours after it which I'd be burnt out if I did two rumble RP's in one week.

Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan and Jerry Lawler did/do wrestle past their 50's and 60's. That was what I was trying to do to be creative on that side of things as not many people if anyone has dared to create a wrestler that starts in their 40's instead of young ages to be wrestlers and I want to see more of that in this game to be honest, even if it's a few years.

[Jet Somers]

Just because 'impending retirement' might be a great story, doesn't mean you have to put a date on it. I knew when I brought Ichabod here that he would be on his last run. I was looking for a way to bring his long, long story to a close because I'd never gotten that for him in previous companies, and I knew UGWC would bring the dignity and respect I wanted for his last chapter. That being said, he still went on a several-year run and I didn't officially choose to retire him until the time (and who he'd go out on his back to, because Old School) revealed itself to me.

And that brings up something I think is very important. As someone who is striving to have meaningful achievements, consider the type of group we are here. There is NO greater achievement than telling a satisfying, intriguing story to completion. Sure, everyone wants to be the World Champion, but there's only 1 of that belt, and many of us. You want a goal? Set a storyline goal that doesn't have to involve a championship. You get the satisfaction of telling your story at your pace, hitting all the beats and revealing the segments of the story as YOU feel they should go. YOU get to decide when you reach that goal, not the vote of the roster. Your story continues whether you win or lose matches, because you have a life outside of the ring.

Along the way, though? You'll find that you are considered for opportunities because of (and sometimes in spite of) your story not aligning with what championship you hope to be fighting for this month. I think back to certain storylines... the Sarah/Kenzi fertility angle, Eden's blaze of glory ending, Alan's hurricane disaster... Some of the best work I've read here, honestly. None of those had to result in a title run to be memorable, and they usually didn't.

But it put those characters on the map or reignited them. At the risk of causing drama, Eden's handler was at odds with many folks on the roster prior to her last 8 months here, but she decided to hell with it and just told her story the way she wanted to tell it, and if she hadn't offed herself, there's not a soul here who wouldn't gladly see her competing for the World Championship this year. (Fight me, I see how you all fellate her girl-peen this year)

tl;dr - make your achievement writing a compelling story that only has to be intertwined with Konrad's career, not fully about it. Draw it out as long as you need to, and let your feel for the story decide when things happen. Watch good stuff happen for Konrad in UGWC along the way. If that goal is to tell the story of his twilight years, no matter how many years that might be, I know you can make it work.

["Burned in Blood" Konrad Raab]

That's the problem, I don't have any storyline ideas that are non title related ones at the moment apart from the retirement thing that I wanted to do later on. I need to think of something regarding on what I'm going to do for a good story. The feud with Sarah is the only idea I have right now and while the title is out of the question, a one on one match non title wise isn't.

Other than Sarah, I can't think of anybody else Konrad could feud or have a match with.

[Jet Somers]

Planning for a retirement a couple years down the line is very broad, and there could be smaller chapters of that story. Ask yourself some questions like:

Do I know who I'd like Konrads last match to be against someday?

Is there anyone I haven't worked with as Konrad that I'd regret missing out on?

That can give you some first steps

["Burned in Blood" Konrad Raab]

Oct 27, 2019 0:04:37 GMT -5 Jet Somers said:

Alan's hurricane disaster... Some of the best work I've read here, honestly. None of those had to result in a title run to be memorable, and they usually didn't.

I know this post was like 2 years ago, but considering the real-life events of Germany of the devastating floods lately, it will be another storyline I'll be running with Konrad for a bit. I've never done natural disasters stories before, and I have always wanted to with Konrad, but the places he lives/lived in didn't really experience that until now with Germany. Yep, that will be a thing in my next RP one hundred per cent, so wish granted, LOL.