Post by The Greater Evil on Aug 3, 2009 23:52:19 GMT -5
Danielson:
Ring: A solid 10. The guy is a technical god inside the ring and intense as hell.
Performer: 8.8. Yeah, he looks vanilla...he also plays a fantastic heel. Plus, there's a good promo with he and Paul London floating around where the two look to be high and it's really quite amusing.
Overall: 9.4
I haven't seen any of Hero's new stuff, but I loved his stuff in CZW and with Claudio Castagnoli in the "Kings of Wrestling". The guy is technically fantastic and has good mic skills, in spite of sounding like he has a speech issue. His feud with Eddie Kingston was pretty intense as well. I'd personally rate Hero more of an 8.5- 9, but I'm a bit out of touch with him as of late. He also had a great Indy feud with CM Punk.
Post by Prolapsed Wrecked 'em on Aug 4, 2009 1:26:04 GMT -5
you're dead on with "to hell with the E" when it comes to Sandman.
Sandman in ECW is a solid 9 as a performer alone Admittedly, dude couldn't work a match worth a fuck.
So that knocks that 9 down to about a 6 because unless he was flying off of ladders or cutting himself with barbed wire, he couldn't do shit.
But, I will say this. His storyline with his wife and son with Raven ruled. Along with the eye thing with Tommy Dreamer. And the last moment in ECW when Rhino won the belt.
Post by Prolapsed Wrecked 'em on Aug 4, 2009 10:20:06 GMT -5
you had Paul London up there first, dickface. But I'll play your damn game and go with Steve Corino.
For a guy who was so over in ECW... he surely hasn't gone anywhere else and been successful other than indies. They say you can't run a successful indy without Steve Corino as your champion... and I guess for that, he's a pretty big indy draw.
I didn't really see too much of his work outside of ECW, so that's what I basing this off of.
For his in-ring work that I have seen, it was top notch against some guys that he truly had to carry like Dusty Rhodes. Although the match between he and Lynn at... I wanna say Heatwave 2000... could be wrong... but that match was fucking awesome.
Corino overall gets a 7.5 and I think that could be much higher had he ever gone on to anything bigger in the E or TNA.
Corino did some good work in ROH. I'd call him successful there! And he was very popular in Zero-1 Max in Japan. So he's done fine if you ask me. I didn't even know he was in TNA. And now he's retired, oh well. I always liked Steve Corino, though.
As for Triple H...
You're lucky I'm a Triple H, fan! I know a lot of people hate the man. Now, I don't love him as much as I did. When I first started watching WWE on a regular basis, I was hooked! I remember the first Raw I watched, Steph's wedding to Test and Triple H 'objecting' 'cause he'd already married her in a drive through chapel. I was a fan from the moment his music hit. And I love that old theme 'It's my time!' way cooler than the Motorhead theme.
As for a rating... in ring, I'll give him a... 8 and that's probably being generous since he's notorious for not putting people over and generally making people look shit. I'm sorry but that's all part of being a good wrestler and why I rate Dynamite so highly.
In ring – 8
As far as entertainment goes... he can be quite diverse, almost too diverse when he never really knows what he's doing. So... another 8?
AND for backstage and professional conduct, I give him a 2. LOL But if I rating that, I'd have 2 give Dynamite a 1 (probably) so I won't...
Overall, Triple H gets an 8! Sorry, Joe!
Now, I feel like picking something different... So I'll pick a match, one that everybody knows.
Undertaker v. Mankind – Hell in a cell! KOTR 1998!
Post by Prolapsed Wrecked 'em on Aug 4, 2009 11:56:27 GMT -5
okay kids, time to go to school on the man known as Triple H. (you could've saved yourself a lot of trouble here and just given the man a 10, but no... you had to open the can of worms here.)
First of all, aside from Ric Flair, the man has held more World Heavyweight Championships than anyone else on the planet. Thirteen... THIRTEEN fucking time World Heavyweight or WWE Champion, five time Intercontinental Champion, two time European Champion, and a former Tag Team Champion. All told, that's 21 championships by ONE fucking man.
He's also a King of the Ring (1997) and a Royal Rumble winner (2002). He's one of only 4 men to ever win both. The others? Steve Austin, Bret Hart and Brock Lesnar and Brock Lesnar did it all within like a year of debuting so, that doesn't really count.
People complain that he has only become as successful as he has because of his marriage to Stephanie McMahon, but over half of his title reigns, 7 actually, came BEFORE they were married. In fact, four came before he was even split from Joanie Laurer. So who's to say that Stephanie's influence helped his career... or was he always destined to be this great?
On top of that, who were you going to have carry the company during the shit-filled age we've entered into? The people he was defending the belt against, during the time people most hate him for (which is the early 2000s when he held the belt for what seemed like an eternity), were people like Goldberg, Kevin Nash, Chris Benoit... all people that certainly weren't going to carry McMahon's company. Seriously think this to yourself... are YOU putting your strap on Goldberg or Nash? With Nash's ability to rip his quad and Goldberg's inability to wrestle?
Also, one of H's title reigns lasted all of about 90 minutes... No Mercy 2007... that pointless bullshit where Orton came out and won the Last Man Standing Match. I would've just kept the belt on Orton to begin with.
Now, you want to talk about H not having "the rub" to other people? Well, let's think about this a second:
He made The Rock (and The Rock, rightfully so has the right to say he made HHH with their feud for the Intercontinental Championship during the DX/Nation days)
He's made Chris Jericho a thought in people's mind as a World Title contender with that defeat he took at Raw that "didn't count."
He blatantly made Chris Benoit at WM XX.
He blatantly made Batista at WM 21.
He blatantly made John Cena (although it can be argued that Cena was already made... or that Cena still needs to be 'made') at WM 22.
He has BLATANTLY made Randy Orton into what he's become... starting back when he won his first World Title off H, but more recently because of the McMahon's angle. But when did Orton truly get "the rub"? Wrestlemania 24.
On the grandest stage of them all, for the last 4 times H had performed, he lost. He gave the rub to four different people. He tapped out to Benoit, got pinned by Batista, pinned by Cena, and punted in the head by Orton.
If there's someone he HASN'T given the rub to, someone that desperately NEEDED the rub and he completely ignored it, please point that person out to me. Angle got it when he deserved it, he's jobbed to Taker more times than I can count. He gave it to Goldberg despite Goldberg never truly deserving it. I think that's what made him not give it to Nash.
He carried DX during the 90s, carried Evolution during the 2000s. Name me someone else who has been the SOLE figurehead of two separately and equally dominant stables. Flair had the Horsemen, and different incarnations OF the horsemen, but in the end, it was always THE HORSEMEN.
DX and Evolution were two completely different stables. DX were faces (for the most part) and Evolution were blatantly heels.
And here he is doing it again. He's MAKING Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase and you all just don't see it. They're growing so much so quickly.
Triple H, easily a Hall of Famer and easily a 10 based on what he's given to the business and how many careers he's made out of his own.
Post by Prolapsed Wrecked 'em on Aug 4, 2009 12:09:11 GMT -5
now, the 1998 KOTR Hell in a Cell match. A legend in its own right simply because of Mick Foley nearly dying twice.
HIAC matches, in themselves, aren't all that exciting. I mean, it's a cage match with a little room on the outside floor and, in all honesty, I can only remember three of these matches that I truly looked forward to.
The first ever HIAC match between Michaels and Taker. This match. Cactus Jack vs. HHH with Foley's career on the line.
The other two matches, to their credit, were incredbly great matches. This one, however, is legendary.
The legend began with "the dive." Do me a favor, fall on the floor right now. Just fall on the floor back first and tell me how you feel. Then do me another favor. Do it off your couch or bed or chair or whatever's close to you.
Good.
Now do it off the roof of your house. And, just so you don't completely destroy yourself, we're going to put a few pieces of wood down there for you to AIM for. That's not too much fun. But after you're done doing that, I want you to climb BACK onto your roof and fall THROUGH the roof onto your carpeted living room floor.
Done?
Okay now wrestle a match.
Fucking A dude... 10 for Foley's ability to block out pain. He lacerated his spleen and separated his shoulder during those falls and STILL landed on thumbtacks later.
Post by Moss Works Jericho's Schedule on Aug 4, 2009 12:56:56 GMT -5
Back to Trips, there is a Jeckyll and Hyde to the man who will be king someday. I don't think he can be THE GUY to build the company around, because he has this horrible tendency to run shows into the ground. When he's just a part of the show, he can be very effective. But I agree that he deserves high marks for what he means to the company and for the obvious passion he has for the business, and the sooner Vince steps down and lets HHH assume more responsibility for the show, the better.
Now on to Kane
Kane today- 5. Between losing his mask and gaining weight, Kane looks like Baby Huey instead of a twisted monster. And he's become more limited in the ring Kane in his prime-8. Kane was effective as a mute engine of destruction, he was highly entertaining during his Big Red Freak stage, and his flying clothesline used to be pretty cool to see.
Post by Zombie Jesus on Aug 4, 2009 14:06:30 GMT -5
Like many of their other talents but none to the extent perhaps that Kane is at. The WWE has lost interest in him time and time again. His feuds with Taker have been classics but his feud’s with Triple H were by far his best. At real life 6'9'' he has insane ring ability when they let him utilize being something other then just this big walking monster. He was trained in oldschool chain wrestling by Dean Malinko's dad and can wrestle on the mat with the likes of Triple H, Dean Malinko, Taker, Edge and others but the only time people think about him it's his matches with Taker, and Shane.
Kane should be a multiple time World Champion and thats a shame he hasn't been.
Oldschool Kane - 9 Unmasked Kane - 5
As a Wrestler - 9 Promo's - 8
Overall Score - 7
Now onto others stuff... MVP his gimic is horrible, and doesn't deliver it for shite, I don't see why he supposed to be so over.
In Ring - 5 On The likes if D'Lo Brown and Val Venis
On The Mic... 2 and that is being kind.
Overall - 4
Now... "Dangerous" Dan Spivey
Last Edit: Aug 4, 2009 14:10:49 GMT -5 by Zombie Jesus
Post by The Greater Evil on Aug 4, 2009 14:37:26 GMT -5
Can't comment on Spivey as I've never see him in action.
Back to Corino though...I can tell you that worked or not, that man can engineer a believable riot with the best of them. I was at an ROH Show at the Elk's Lodge in Queens (on the "Boulevard of Death"...Joe probably knows the venue I mean. It's a Korean church now...a shame really...)
Anyway...I was at that show with two friends of mine, I believe it was their first major show (an Indie PPV basically...granted, no one was paying to watch it on TV at the time...but it was an event with a name..."The Second Annual Round Robin Tournament" or something like that)...continuing...ROH was running a Steve Corino/ Extreme Horseman vs Homicide and his "gym" guys angle. Homicide was out and wrestling a match with Corino. It was a solid match that had some nice spots, some good Heel buildup moves by Corino to get the crowd into it and some good abused Face spots by Homicide. The match ends with Corino winning by cheating (if memory serves, we're talking 2003 or 2004 here..maybe even '02) and afterward Corino starts talking trash to Homicide in the ring. Homicide gets into it and they start to slug it out again.
Enter the Extreme Horsemen. CW Anderson and the rest of Corino's goon squad come out and they proceed to beat the living daylights out of Homicide, blood spots and everything. This gets the crowd pretty hot as Homicide is a local boy from Brooklyn at time.
Then Corino looks to the back of the ever so tiny and rickety venue and calls out Homicide's Boys. (They really were from his gym too).
They play it up perfectly, going back and forth for a good five minutes before Corino dares them to come to the ring and do something about them repeatedly pounding on Homicide....who incidentally was bleeding like a Vampire's wet dream at this point. Another couple of minutes go by with the group looking like they're going to charge the ring before backing off. They did that gig for a good five or six minutes all told. Suffice to say the local crowd was really, really hot at this point and eating it up. Then Corino said the magic words and all hell broke loose.
Homicide's crew of 8 or so blitz the ring through the crowd...and you have to keep in mind that this place is a single, two floored room that is about half the size of the average high school gymnasium...which is to say, much like a Nun...it's a tight fit. My friends and I look at each other and we waste a few seconds with the "Is this work" question before we notice the wheelchair bound guy who is close to getting ran over by Homicide's crew. My friend Joe (not Mickey) bolts for the guy and moves him out of the way at the last second and my friend Surf and I, not wanting to get stampeded, get the hell out of dodge. (Believe me, this fat guy can move when he has to).
We blitz out of the room and out into the waiting area as the venue inside descends into absolute chaos. If it was a work, and we're sure to this day that it was because no cops showed up, it was pulled off brilliantly. I was legit scared for my life for a few minutes there...it was nuts.
So yeah, Corino may have never made it out of the Indies, but let me tell you...after that performance I'd rate the guy about a 7 or 8 in the ring.
Post by Prolapsed Wrecked 'em on Aug 4, 2009 17:13:22 GMT -5
Spivey = Waylon Mercy.
That character alone, if you've never seen him, was fuckin awesome. Dude was a great performer but as a wrestler, I wouldn't say he was absolutely awesome.
I'll go with a 7 for wrestling ability and a 9 on the mic.
Averages out to an 8... but because he doesn't have nearly the success of anyone else we've mentioned... drops him down to 7.5